tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post113077511503105675..comments2023-09-15T06:05:55.920-04:00Comments on gcooke's blog: Brass Monkey vs SWSDgcookehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-1131154007977679262005-11-04T20:26:00.000-05:002005-11-04T20:26:00.000-05:00Hey Shiv,It was fun to play your team on Thursday....Hey Shiv,<BR/><BR/>It was fun to play your team on Thursday. You guys were talented and carried yourselves with class. I was very aware of the weird seedings in qtrs as well....as I had seeded the thing. I think you should have included us in that 3-4 teams. I think we would have beaten SWSD in qtrs, and it would have been anyones game vs CLX. I agree, though, that wherever BM landed in qtrs that they would have gone through that bracket.<BR/><BR/>I think we are seeing a higher degree on consistency and quality in the Mixed Div. I attribute a lot of it to qualifying for Wolrds this year.<BR/><BR/>I think there is great potential for 06 to be an off year if teams decide to compete at Worlds, but not Nationals.gcookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-1130795655018305532005-10-31T16:54:00.000-05:002005-10-31T16:54:00.000-05:00Yep...the Mixed Division is a strange animal. Ver...Yep...the Mixed Division is a strange animal. Very little data to base seeding on plus the regional finish rule is inconsistent with ranking teams in order of strength.<BR/><BR/>I sort of view the format as a contract. We all "agree" to play out the format and that the resulting rankings will be the final standings, even if not "accurate".<BR/><BR/>It kind of speaks to the original point of the post. If Brass beats SWSD, and we stay with the CLX win over Hangtime, then CLX, 6TM, or SWSD are finalists....that is a very different ranking than what we ended up with.gcookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-1130787705247990792005-10-31T14:41:00.000-05:002005-10-31T14:41:00.000-05:00I agree with you that due to the highy unpredictab...I agree with you that due to the highy unpredictable nature of club world bids, playing out to place is more or less the best we can do.<BR/><BR/>That said, given the enormous number of inconsistent results in the mixed tournament this year, it's very hard to claim any confidence in the accuracy of those rankings. I can't produce an ordering of the 16 teams that produces less than ~10 upsets of seed. Contrast that to two on the open side.Tarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368810359650066790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-1130784225306533822005-10-31T13:43:00.000-05:002005-10-31T13:43:00.000-05:00No. I understand the question from a formats poin...No. I understand the question from a formats point of view. The Club Championships format does not place teams with the same set of criteria that we use for sectionals and regionals. <BR/><BR/>One of the problems is that we don't know where the actual "break" will be between teams that qualify and teams that don't. The US usually gets additional bids during the year and teams usually drop out. So we could devise a format which correctly places the 6th team, but we might get 2 additional bids during the year. This occurred to my Mixed team in 2001. We finished 11th, and, due to added bids and teams declining bids, the bids were offered down to the 10th team...who we never got to play.<BR/><BR/>When the ND's have discussed this, my point of view has been that the teams know the format going in. When we played Hang Time in the "game to go" to 5/6 place, we treated it as an important game that had mattered in terms of our teams goals.<BR/><BR/>We had to put is strict rules this year to ensure that the placement games were played, and I think this requirement got accurate enough results to correctly award bids based on placement.gcookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-1130783054446485802005-10-31T13:24:00.000-05:002005-10-31T13:24:00.000-05:00SWSD really did have a crazy tournament.Let me sti...SWSD really did have a crazy tournament.<BR/><BR/>Let me stir the pot a bit here: <BR/><BR/>SWSD and HT both went undefeated the first two days, then lost to the play-in team, then lost to 6TM and beat Olio in the placement brackets.<BR/><BR/>If there are 6 bids to worlds, should SWSD get the bid over HT? If so, why?Tarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368810359650066790noreply@blogger.com