tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post46720056909330962..comments2023-09-15T06:05:55.920-04:00Comments on gcooke's blog: Imitate or Differentiategcookehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-31202260534094400152006-12-10T23:36:00.000-05:002006-12-10T23:36:00.000-05:00Hi Meghann,
Thanks very much for your comments.
...Hi Meghann,<br /><br />Thanks very much for your comments.<br /><br />I am actually not familiar with the term captains practice. Does that mean that the captains run practices, but the coaches do not? My brother is a college coach (crew) and I believe he has to do something like this due to NCAA Div 1 rules.<br /><br />-Ggcookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-55622618595161471282006-12-10T21:48:00.000-05:002006-12-10T21:48:00.000-05:00hi, i'm a college player and hear people questione...hi, i'm a college player and hear people questioned the legitimacy of the sport often. it's really interesting to see what direction we, as players, are trying to take the sport.<br /><br />i just wanted to comment on the number of weeks practices can be held for varsity sports. Varsity sports often hold 'captains' practices during the off season- which could allow practices in the fall as well as the spring.<br /><br />though, i'm not sure if this is the way to go and how greatly it would effect the culture of ultimate.be glad of lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01576498626362275912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-75884066577645324582006-12-10T08:44:00.000-05:002006-12-10T08:44:00.000-05:00Bliane,
Thanks for your comments.
As I am kind o...Bliane,<br /><br />Thanks for your comments.<br /><br />As I am kind of working this topic out, I will be following up with some specific aspects of the sport and my opinion on where they fall on the I or D continuum. So, while I think that differentiation is a big plus for the sport (and it sounds like that was clear in my posts), I hope to discuss areas in which imitation could also be necessary and positive.<br /><br />I think the religion analogy has merit, but it makes me distinctly nervous as it sounds like we are a cult (which, perhaps, we are). I prefer the music business analogy (say, Phish(I am not a fan but a good example of differentiation) vs Backstreet Boys(Imitation)), but all analogies have limits.<br /><br />I do think that breaking down supply and demand makes sense and specifically putting these in context is interesting.<br /><br />Lastly, I agree that legitimacy is not the right word and I will get into that in my weekly post tomorrow.<br /><br />-Ggcookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-19087781464411496152006-12-10T08:37:00.000-05:002006-12-10T08:37:00.000-05:00CJ,
Thanks for that example of having to weigh th...CJ,<br /><br />Thanks for that example of having to weigh the cost/benefit of joining the establishment.<br /><br />-Ggcookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-91963689446844251532006-12-09T19:25:00.000-05:002006-12-09T19:25:00.000-05:00You're conclusion is exactly right: differentiatio...You're conclusion is exactly right: differentiation. <br /><br />Ultimate is fighting not for sales like many organizations but numbers. The goal of Ultimate organizational analysis should not be looking at organizational models like Target or Wal-Mart, but successful religious organizations that rely on numbers and members to garner strength. However, what Ultimate is selling or the supply of Ultimate is not salvation or election, but a sport. Nothing too transcendental and something only a few people with adequate resources can participate in. Some would argue that that there is a basic demand for religious goods in all cultures. Is there a basic demand for sport in all cultures? Maybe. Basic demand for competition? Maybe. But, the process should be very similar to religious organizations and how they target members. <br /><br />If the UPA is to succeed it needs to look at "sport" as an economic market as well. Ultimate is selling something that already has a huge supply (baseball, football, basketball, soccer, hockey, lacrosse, track and field, etc.). We are not going to get many numbers from people who already participate, but those who have not chosen which sport to subscribe to. The youth. And the UPA is doing a great job of targeting youth. Our shift to a popular sport (legitimate is not the right word. Legitimacy should only be used in regards to domination and authority) will come through time. Incrementally. Not through mimetically copying other sports models right now and only differentiating ourselves by the object we play with. However, if we want to garner numbers among people who are already consuming a sport, we need to offer something new. Something like the SOTG-hybrid-observer system. A system that keeps the power among the players but will reduce the costs of enforcement (transaction costs) with observers. <br /><br />Target youth (the demand) and offer a new product (the supply). True, we are not seeing the Olympics right now, but growth within the last 5 years has been startling. No other field sport is seeing such massive growth. Poker is only popular because it involves gambling (something addictive), a fungible incentive (money), and anybody can play it (the disabled, the overweight, people with any physical ability). My thoughts.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678449415795021584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-35522807070695100082006-12-09T14:52:00.000-05:002006-12-09T14:52:00.000-05:00re: season length.
I understand where you are comi...re: season length.<br />I understand where you are coming from with the season length. At Hopkins High School, we were looking into getting sanctioned as a varsity sport. This would allow our kids to letter, but it prohibited us from coaching the kids year round, and it did not guarantee any field space (the real kicker).<br /><br />I think one possible way around this is to propose three seasons for the sport: a fall "Club Season (usually coed), a winter "Indoor Season", and the UPA spring "HS Open/Girls Season" with the HS league & State/Nationals tournaments.<br /><br />It's a thinly veiled argument, but a possiblilty that could be brought up as a way around the official spring season.<br /><br />I know that our team would not be nearly as prepared for the spring season if there were no fall or winter practices and tournaments to continue learning and improving.<br /><br />Coach Jake<br />Hopkins HurtJakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12360068882489639031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-2580343381529651312006-12-09T09:07:00.000-05:002006-12-09T09:07:00.000-05:00Hey Glenn,
I think your comments are very interes...Hey Glenn,<br /><br />I think your comments are very interesting and provide a good example of why legitimacy is something that needs to be looked at.<br /><br />I think I am going to follow this post with more on your topic.<br /><br />-Ggcookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-48375958706157833732006-12-08T22:52:00.000-05:002006-12-08T22:52:00.000-05:00I'm interested in what legitimacy would mean for U...I'm interested in what legitimacy would mean for Ultimate. The Board of Governors at Rutgers University decided this year to cut six varsity NCAA sports due to budget limitations, sparking a huge debate for the school community. These six were "legitimate" sports like swimming, fencing, and tennis. Our Ultimate team, as a club sport, was not earmarked for deletion, since it's not under the control of the AD. I like the questions you are asking, and I like the way the UPA is trying to find direction. I'm looking forward to the UCPC.gapoolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13379733859426588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-6449377643215644652006-12-08T14:30:00.000-05:002006-12-08T14:30:00.000-05:00Looks like you're back on Ultimate Talk...
PeterLooks like you're back on Ultimate Talk...<br /><br />PeterPeter Andrew Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05792224377441162267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-4942790885970922792006-12-04T16:15:00.000-05:002006-12-04T16:15:00.000-05:00Hi George,
Shoot me an E-mail when you get the ch...Hi George,<br /><br />Shoot me an E-mail when you get the chance. I want to ask you something regarding the UCPC.<br /><br />Seigs<br /><br />Adam.Sigelman@gmail.comSeigshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15310455070493851994noreply@blogger.com