tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post5188594595606191468..comments2023-09-15T06:05:55.920-04:00Comments on gcooke's blog: Quality as a Parameter for Policygcookehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-7194844422813307192006-11-28T07:14:00.000-05:002006-11-28T07:14:00.000-05:00Hi Jim,
That was, in fact, the point of the post....Hi Jim,<br /><br />That was, in fact, the point of the post. I agree that Quality is a concern at Nationals as it is the showcase event in the sport. My post tried to isolate Quality as a parameter, though, and I don't think that Quality, in and of itself, is objective enough to be used as a sole parameter unless the bias of the resulting decision is transparent. In other words, in your example, field space limitation is the primary parameter and driver of the need for a contingency plan. Quality would kick in, if at all, based upon necessity.<br /><br />-Ggcookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-34497893416842880322006-11-27T22:00:00.000-05:002006-11-27T22:00:00.000-05:00I think we may be missing the point of George's po...I think we may be missing the point of George's post, though. He is asking whether Quality should be a factor in policy. The Board can tell the Admin that there MUST be separate Nationals, or that they MUST be held together, or they SHOULD be if at all possible, that the Board doesn't care, or the Board can make no statement at all. It comes down to what they feel the purpose of Nationals is and what is owed to the various constituencies. I suspect that the Admin has a contingency plan in the event that the Sarasota fields are suddenly lost and only x fields are available, and probably they would have to convene the Board to override some Board policies.<br /><br />Anyway, if that's what you're asking, then yes, Quality should be a consideration.parinellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802604259779936852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-35548242818623410972006-11-27T18:47:00.000-05:002006-11-27T18:47:00.000-05:00Jim and Julian,
Thanks for taking the time to pos...Jim and Julian,<br /><br />Thanks for taking the time to post. I appreciate that you guys found the time to comment when I am "off the grid".<br /><br />Jim, I agree that winning is a clear indicator of Relative Quality.<br /><br />Julian, Jim has said on RSD that he feels that Mixed would care a lot more than O/W's about not being included.<br /><br />-Ggcookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029435701308074373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-84731767884579478002006-11-27T15:51:00.000-05:002006-11-27T15:51:00.000-05:00I also wrote that Open and Women's players might n...<i>I also wrote that Open and Women's players might not want Mixed played at the same venue. Should their desires count at all?</i><br /><br />Absolutely. The difficulty is in figuring out how to weigh the desires against each other.<br /><br />I've never been to natties, and probably I'll never go (unless I make it as a spectator some day). What effect do you think finding a separate venue for mixed would have on the experience of nationals? Positives? Negatives?<br /><br />jJulianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14337749094233996938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-34169688627808409022006-11-27T13:51:00.000-05:002006-11-27T13:51:00.000-05:00So, should Mixed be included in the Fall Series? A...<i>So, should Mixed be included in the Fall Series? As long as that's what the players (on those teams) want. </i><br /><br />I also wrote that Open and Women's players might not want Mixed played at the same venue. Should their desires count at all?<br /><br />Anyway, to comment on Quality, I agree that it is difficult, if not impossible, to come up with a Quality metric that you would want to apply across all divisions and levels. I tried over <a href="http://parinella.blogspot.com/2005/11/how-would-you-assess-quality-of-play.html">here</a> about a year ago (and George, you commented).<br /><br />The strongest, most testable statement against the Quality of Mixed vs Open/Women is that fall Mixed teams (i.e., teams that play Mixed in the UPA Series) do poorly at non-UPA tournaments like Potlatch. While I'd still be hesitant to make this into a metric, you will know that Mixed is of equal "Quality" when fall Mixed teams regularly vie for the championship at Potlatch, Poultry Days, etc.parinellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802604259779936852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390900.post-38598561104981301812006-11-27T13:11:00.000-05:002006-11-27T13:11:00.000-05:00Wow. Thorny subject. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle...Wow. Thorny subject. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance has a lot to say about what capital-Q Quality is (though I have a hard time buying what the author is selling).<br /><br />I agree that Quality is largely undefined and undefinable in the context of Ultimate and therefore a poor way to evaluate the game. Unfortunately, all we have to go on is subjective observation and "whim." Bias, misinterpretation, and the habit of ignoring the inconvenient seems hardwired into us humans. So we will necessarily have a hard time generating absolute scales and determinations. Ultimate, in turn, will always be defined a million different ways by a million different players/fans.<br /><br />So, should Mixed be included in the Fall Series? As long as that's what the players (on those teams) want.Julianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14337749094233996938noreply@blogger.com